Tax to Travel: How Would You Pay for Mass' Transportation System?
Gov. Deval Patrick plans to ask lawmakers to raises taxes to make up for the shortfall in Massachusetts' transportation system. What options should they consider and what's off the table?
Would you be willing to pay more at the pump, have a tracking system on your car that taxes you by the mile, or see tolls on state highways? Those are just some of the possibilities looming as Massachusetts looks to erase the state's transportation system's deficit.
The Boston Globe reported that Gov. Deval Patrick will ask lawmakers to raise taxes in order to pay for a transportation system—from the MBTA to roads and bridges—that continues to operate in the red. The administration will present a specific proposal by Jan. 7.
One option is raising the gas tax, a route Patrick sought in 2009 only to be rebuffed by the legislature. Patrick sought a 19 cent increase while business groups endorsed a 25 cent increase. Ultimately, the state Senate voted down two budget amendments, one which would've increase the tax by 19 cents as requested by Patrick and one that would have increased it by a more modest 12 cents.
Massachusetts' gas tax of 21 cents a gallon, unchanged since 1991 except for a 2.5 cent increase imposed to clean up underground contaminants according to the Globe, ranks 29th in the nation according non-partisan tax research group The Tax Foundation.
Another option according to the Globe is taxing miles driven, which could require tracking devices installed on all registered cars in the state.
WBZ pundit Jon Keller said that the state should "try to spread the pain around" by putting open-road (a.k.a. high-speed) tolling on interstate highways. In a live chat on Patch in September, Patrick asked a reader whether he'd support high-speed tolls in response to a question about toll fairness.
Keller also said the state could require license fees for bicyclists, whom he said have "been the beneficiaries of a lot of recent public spending."
Other options, according to the Globe, include using future casino revenue and transferring T debt to the state's books.
“At this point, everything remains on the table,” state Transportation Secretary Richard A. Davey told the Globe.
Would you support a higher gas tax, high-speed tolls, a tax-by-mile program or licenses for bicyclists? Tell us in the comments which plans you'd consider to make up the transportation system's deficit and which options you consider off the table.
michael beaulieu
6:20 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
NO,NO,NO, We the tax payer are out of money.
Cool Fusion
11:00 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Didn't we do a 5% gas tax about a decade or so ago to pay for hiways and bridge repair. Yup .. you guessed it - its was just another ploy and the 5% was not spent on transportation .. but instead went to feed the Education Industry complex and public pension raises. Fool me once.. shame of you. Fool me twice .. you get to laugh twice and set up the pins again.
Joseph
7:08 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
User pay, increase the fares to cover the cost of operations. That's what the private sector does.
I Barry
8:12 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Yes, increase the gas tax. We have to pay for what we use. Actually everyone uses the roadways one way or another because they deliver our goods and services to us. Only about 1.6% of highway funds go for alternative transportation such as bikeways but bring far more then that in savings- better health, less pollution, etc. Non motorized transportation amenities should be increased.
Kelli Wooten
8:34 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
How about cutting spending in other areas - that's what business owners have to do when there is a shortfall.
Richard Yunker
8:54 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
I have to travel the roads to work 43 miles from my house. I cannot get a job closer to home because of my profession and my age. I will have to pay more of my hard earned money for a service that I cannot use because of the times that the train runs. I for one am sick of paying for everyone else. If you use it you need to pay for it. Raise the fare for the T and make other cuts! STOP TAXING ME!
KlassySalem
12:32 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
What about your overuse of the roads?
Richard Yunker
1:41 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Define overuse. We already pay excise tax and gas tax for the use of the roads and tolls. If I could use public transportation I would but as I explained the train would not get me to work on time.
MHH101
9:14 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Always count your fingers after you shake hands with a politician.
The latest fiscal cliff idea: a higher federal gas tax. State highway officials and industries that stand to benefit from increased highway spending such as road builders and heavy equipment makers are among those pressing lawmakers to raise the 18.4-cent-a-gallon federal gasoline tax as part of a broad agreement. It's just one of a grab bag of proposals various groups are trying to tuck into a deal.
Frank Kulik
10:16 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
For the curious.... Google "Your tax dollars at work: 2009 MBTA salary." The Herald published a breakdown of "T" salaries back in 2009. Hang on to your socks folks - and these were for 2009!
Deb
1:26 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
MBTA salaries are horrendous, link below. For 2011, with salaries sorted descending, you have to go 76 pages (x20 per page) to get below $75k, which puts you in the "mechanics" section. That's almost 3,000 employees above $75k. With lots! Of "Supv" titles. How many more pages to below $50k? Hey now, I don't want to break my touchpad, clicking.
http://www.bostonherald.com/projects/your_tax_dollars.bg?src=Mbta2011#page=1&results_per_page=20&order_by=&src=Mbta2011&action=get_data&payroll_search=&department=
(Click on the Annual Salary column twice to get them from the top down.)
Also note the other fun data that the Herald has there. To get there from the home page - there's a "slide banner" about 1/3 of the way down the page. It has a blue "More" arrow link on the right of it. Click it once to get to Your Tax Dollars At Work, and pick your favorite.
Tom
10:40 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Lets try cutting down on government pensions, hiring of relatives, general corruption of public officials first.
Mark Chulsky
11:39 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
The election sent the clear signal: GIVE US MORE OF THE SAME!
Expect more taxes and less transportation system.
Susan Sturgeon
11:42 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
I go to NH a lot and pay HIGH tolls on their hiways. Would be more than willing both to pay myself on our hiways and to get some of our money back from them in turn.
John Dumas
11:54 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Did you ever try to argue a computer generated bill, no matter how illogical the amount? How will they give refunds after a class action?
Per mile is "opposite" the MPG we seem to be trying to encourage!
Just make a rule that a boss must have a least 20 employees; if a teacher can manage 20 kids...There are a lot of extra management types. Make the offices paperless.
chester suchecki
12:08 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
cut the governors salary to minimum wage along with all state employeees amd make them use obama care like the rest of us. tho hell with the unions they are from an era of past abuses and nepotisim
KlassySalem
12:34 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
What if we stopped putting transportation "revenues" into the general fund, and actually used them for transportation expenses? Transportation problem solved.
john
1:20 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Didn't we just bailout the T? So is this an increase to pay for money that has already been spent? Raise tolls so that more of the revenue falls on non-residents.
Mike Burns
1:30 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
First lets clean up the management structure at the T and reduce as much waste as possible.
Also base the fares on the actual cost to operate regardless of the service. Third
introduce real pension reform.
last you can begin to think of hitting up the taxpayers for more money how's that for a thought! isn't it nice to be in the middle of the pack in regard to gasoline taxes nationally?
Calvin
2:28 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
I don't mind paying a few more cents BUT in return I want to see reduction in "T" salaries, the Salem railroad station parking garage BUILT finally and trains run out of North Station beyond 11:59pm! If we are PAYING for these things then we should have it OUR WAY, right?
J.Yuma
2:59 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
You didn't build that,...but you can tax it.
Cwheels
5:37 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Why is it the feds let NH have tolls on I93 & I95 just over our boarder but we can't? I'm not saying I want this done I'm just curious. I'm firmly in the camp of budget and pension reform. Show us you can tighten the belt with out steep service cuts and then come back and talk tolls and gas tax. You cant tell me the technology doesn't exists that could do away with toll collectors. I think WBZ did a story on them, starting pay in the low $50,000 range. Come on!
john
6:56 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
I kind of agree but the idea of replacing jobs with technology is a dangerous road. I can see the day when technology eliminates all jobs,then what?
Bryan McGonigle2
7:27 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Nirvana?
I was once at a fast food establishment when the cash registers went out. They needed to add and calculate the tax. Technology in this case was a wonderful thing.
Jack Carver
8:38 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Because 54% of New Hampshire's tax income comes from Massachusetts residents
Jim Smith
2:57 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Who said Massachusetts cannot build tolls on Massachusetts side of the border ? This would bring more business to Massachusetts and less to New Hampshire over the sales tax issues and bottle deposit issues. It's time to stand up and revolt against our government. The elective process is broke and is no longer effective in changing our course as a nation. If Hillary Clinton raves about the Arab Spring, then maybe she will rave about our dissatisfaction with our own government and we should be allowed to take to the streets in protest without the threat of trespass or felony trespass convictions. To be a true American is to stand up for what we believe in, march to our city and town halls and demand officials to resign. The elective process no longer works in the United States. We are now and economic dictatorship with the government imposing economic slavery upon its' people.
Sean Ward
9:24 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
First people using public transportation should pay for it. Drivers are expected to pay for their own transportation and subsidize busses, trains and subways. Second the entire government continued to give themselves raises while the entire private sector still tries to recover. Roll back those salaries like the rest of us have.
However, to answer the question taxing gas more makes the most sense. We don't need government putting machines in our cars to track our mileage and we don't need them getting daily access to our gps data. Privacy has already taken enough of a hit in recent years. If you let them in to your car for this they will not stop there. Next will be automatic traffic citations and parking tickets.
Jim Smith
2:52 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Sean, What about taxing on our side of the New Hampshire border ? CWheels is correct, why not increase the number of tolls and the cost on the Massachusetts side of the border. More good paying jobs !
Under Free Enterprise why is the government, ie; the state of New Hampshire allowed to be in the same business organized crime was years ago. Gambling, the lottery, State run liquor stores ? It seems that free enterprise is going away in lieu of the government running all of these enterprises. Toll collectors on the Tobin Bridge and on the Mass Pike earn $60,000.00 per year. In New Hampshire they earn $35,000.00 per year. But again if their are no cut backs, an increase in the gas tax along with new income taxes how are poor people going to get by ?
Cwheels
10:28 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
The feds get the final say when it comes to tolls on the Interstate.
Antoine M. Boisvert
10:37 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
No doubt they do. But I don't think we have ever asked. There's certainly no shortage of toll roads in the interstate system.
john
2:37 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Consider the impact on traffic if Mass put tolls on any of our major highways. Be careful what you wish for.
Steve Douglass
7:21 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
How about cut goverment 30% (Spending, Budgets, Employees) I bet they wouldn't miss a beat and no one would notice.
MHH101
7:26 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Have to hand it to NH.....no income, sales, capital gains, excise taxes etc..
Don't need a sign saying welcome to MA....can always tell by the condition of the roads.
Antoine M. Boisvert
8:48 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Nearly every driver who wishes to visit or leave NH or Maine or (in many cases) VT has to pass through Massachusetts. Yet our toll roads are structured so as to only affect MA residents. It's crazy. Unlike many Patch readers, I don't mind paying taxes to support infrastructure, and I don't think the MBTA needs to break even to justify its existence. But to allow the rest of the Union to (literally) drive over us without pitching in a dime for our infrastructure is just plain foolish. We need tolls at our northern borders and possibly at our southern ones as well, on I-91, I-95, and I-93. I don't understand why no one in public life brings this up.
Sean Ward
9:09 am on Monday, November 26, 2012
They are visiting NH to get away from Taxachusetts. If you build an inbound toll up there you also need to provide some reason to come here. Currently the only people flocking south are the people coming home with car loads of tax free purchases.
Edward
2:25 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
I don't know about the excise tax (that goes to the individual city/town), but the state gas tax is supposed to pay for things like road/bridge improvements and repair.
Is it that the gas tax isn't high enough, or is the money from it, being spent on things other than road/bridge improvements and repair?
Edward
2:26 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
I like that DO NOT STOP sign in the picture above. Route 128 could use a lot of those...
Stephen M. Roberts
5:02 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
There was a time when the old saying "there ain't no free lunch" used to be true. That notion came apart when the gas tax "fund" was raided to pay for public transit projects that wouldn't otherwise "pencil out"... or pay for themselves. Today it's a national problem. There are no self-supporting public transportation systems anywhere that I know of. I currently live in a place where bike paths, bike bridges, jogging trails and metropolitan transit systems are all flourishing and expanding thanks to politicians pilfering gas tax and "stimulous" money. What's worse, they are converting lanes on local streets to "buses only" use, reducing the auto and truck-carring capacity of the road system... financing it on the backs of the very folks who paid the gas taxes that built and maintained them. The gas tax "golden goose" is suddenly being pinched by the hybrid cars that generate frwer gas tax dollars... so they want to levy a special "road tax" on those less thirsty vehicles... just to make it "fair".
You get what you vote for, folks. Like BHO said about 4 years ago... "Elections have consequences:.
Jerome
11:42 am on Monday, November 26, 2012
Tax payers should be off the hook in this case. MA Transportation could easily be paid for through corporate marketing opportunities. Frankly, I don't mind a bit if I rode the "Starbucks" train, or the "McDonald's" bus or the "Coca-Cola" subway. Offer the Fortune 500's their own passenger cars to purchase and outfit as they like with all their logos as they see fit. Look as NASCAR sponsorship. It is a perfect profit model. Fares will cover some of the operating costs as they typically do but the real costs for general upgrades and maintenance could come through commonly practiced billboard marketing.